Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation. I mentioned how I recently read of a church where the IT had a deal with pastor to delete specifically his e-mails I laugh and say fat chance I can get him to do that for me! They are pits of mass deception and subterfuge. LOL I sure never did on the few creepy weirdo hugs I was subjected to! In 2001 my church began instituting #MLKWeekend in our annual church calendar, focusing on teachings of #MLK & the tragic legacy of systemic racism. What you are saying is that public perception of sin causes people to walk away from the faith? In that planning he can do and say things prior to the offence which will give him a get out of jail free card later if his offence gets exposed or the target woman overtly resists his abuse. And sadly most victims spend YEARS time trying to answer the question why they were targeted. We have a problem with people who just do not care, apparently, that theyre engaging in classic rationalization techniques to minimize something that is quite serious. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. From the website, its all sunshine and lollipops but the mask is really starting to slip. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. I agree. I teach fraud for a living, you see, developed my universitys curriculum on it and am at this very moment in negotiation with a publisher to develop a textbook on it. I do. Even worse, you can be shamed/shuned, and called lukewarm for your honest questioning of what you experienced/think. Prestige of Willow Creek? *Bill also admitted that the woman alleging an affair had spent many nights at the Hybels home when Lynne was out of town.* (from the Nancy Ortberg post). People will walk away from Jesus Christ because Billy Hybels is not who they thought he was? I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted. No one walks away unascathed. When I got up to leave Bill stopped me at the door and hugged/held me tightly for about thirty seconds. Im not saying any of that is right. Young people are buying cuddle items. Even the innocent in Israel lived with the ensuing upheaval. Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. I assume you mean well. Very valuable comment. My mom would come up to my room and cuddle while we talked when I was little and not so little. Given the name Cephas, walking on water (for a time), given the keys of the kingdom and the charge to strengthen the brethren and feed the Lords sheep, speaking out on Pentecost after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, sharing the Gospel with Cornelius and the Gentiles, and everything else listed in Acts 1-15. I did. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Just published over on Spiritual Sounding Board, a list of key links on Willow Creek/Bill Hybels situation official statements by individuals and organizations directly involved, Chicago Tribune article series, and other writers (mostly survivor bloggers) who offer summaries, critical analysis, and comments. Thats how they get by with it. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. When you read it, I think you might as well. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer. While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. It would seem somewhat of a legal issue to go around wiping documents and videos, no? It all led me to focus on several things with the kids:. People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. Moths making holes in a cloak, I developed this over the last 10 years in writing curriculum on addressing systemic abuse. Ruth Haley Barton, formerly of Willow Creek and trained at the very contemplative Shalem Institute for Spiritual Formation in Washington D.C., wrote Invitation to Solitude and Silence, and teaches contemplative prayer through her Transforming Center. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. Its not. Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. HE GOT AWAY WITH IT, SO CAN I! Yes, the ambien thing really bugs me. I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! Perhaps after a time. May 28, 2021 45 Dislike Share Benjamin Ady 56 subscribers At Willow Creek South Barrington's Congregational Meeting May 2021, with about 200 Core Committed members present, Senior pastor Dave. Keeping this in the forefront of out thoughts should help us from becoming disappointed when another pastor is caught. I know. Bill Hybels got married to Lynne in 1974. For further flow of events, see I, Claudius, Dune, and Game of Thrones. People of Willow Creek, save your church by demanding resignations from he full Elder Board and lead pastors. I know. There are cuddle friends. But I have not noticed any hugging at the hospital or at any doctors or dentists office. The trusting person is the dupe who was groomed to respond accordingly. People handle things. CHICAGO (RNS) Willow Creek Community Church still grappling with former senior pastor Bill Hybels' history of alleged sexual harassment and abuse of power now . Its ridiculous. And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. The CIA is able to protect their emails as well. These things dont work without followers and their money. Really? I think it compounds the problem when so many mega churches are unaffiliated with a denomination and/or have sprung up and had only ONE pastor (or lead pastor) for their entire church history. What is it about these minister and their hugs. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. The term for this is Simul Justus et Peccator. That is me, that is you and that is everyone else. So, as with what apparently happened at Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels having his emails removed, that wasnt really a great idea. And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. I am NOT AMUSED! But is that truthful? Its time stamped documentation. They were not allowed to have free and open churches-the ones that were open were beholden to the government. When was the last time you led someone to Jesus? What needs to be addressed is that this is not a matter of somehow eliminating the existence of random perverts, as if such a thing were possible. I know that unwanted full frontal hugs was a part of abusive pastors manipulations of women in a small rural church. What I am remembering, and what troubled me then, is how these well-meaning people fell under the Willow Creek spell, and how their little, creaky, boring churches could not compete with the new mega entertainment center. You tell your kids That was wrong. Excellent comment! I believe Nancy Ortberg and I also believe the other victims who have come forward. Who is Bill Hybels? @ Lea: Only much later did I recall, for instance, my pastor condemning those gossip bloggers who were trying to tear down the church which is how I first found this blog. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. Last month, the Chicago Tribune published claims that women made against Hybels spanning decades. * Scripture does not discuss it that way. Without gossip and people looking out, anyone who has been hurt by church/leadership will simply be driven out, and the whole thing covered up. It was a constant topic from a social psychological view. What BH did is reprehensible. People are saved to church. People invest a lot of themselves into their celebrity pastors. Less excusable is the behavior of the elders after it started coming out. Refuse to settle for eloquent lechers. If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. You will eventually find like minded people. Hybels considers himself first among equals in the fraternity of evangelical pastors. There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. @ Jack: As I say if he had a true understanding of what his behavior had done he might give the kind of apology that these women want. What if the Elders had sent Hybels home on a sabbatical while they allowed for a truly independent investigation 5 years ago? As I continued reading the thread, you did not sound at all like the person on Twitter. Ive told her about the many intelligent comments here! At times I have even wondered if it is not even being used to distract from addressing the root of the problem. In response to that question: Was Hybels leading folks to Christ or to Hybels? Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. They are rarely anything alike. Dee and Brad, have you read my series about Don Hennessys work? The pastor didnt understand that this was not about sex but about control and power. This is church. In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and . contact blue moon brewing company; among us ascii copypasta; pistons vs pacers injury report; you'll find the shame is like the pain; fervent crossword clue 6 letters I am all for systemic analysis and the big-picture view. Thanks, Julie! This is exactly what I had in mind!? It came out that he had a child with one lady out of wedlock. Bye! There are no winners here. Bill Hybels, (formerly, William Hybels) was born on 12 December 1951 in Kalamazoo, Michigan, U.S. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. Me too. Im thankful they embraced egalitarianism and led the way with women in leadership. I do not know the answer to this question but red flags are waving up, down and all around this situation. Shame on all who participated in this. This is RUSSIAN Bureaucratic tradition, centered on Plausible Deniability: What shes done more than anything is reveal that Willow Creek had/has a culture and work environment that is not guided or governed by wise, common-sense policies or practices for accountabilityespecially when it came to male-female relationships. I know of one drawing up plans for an old fashioned Chapel complete with a steeple to put on their campus for those who prefer smaller churches. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. But, still I try not to broad brush. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? However, just noticed a mega the founding family kids were using as their cash cow, followed by sexual indiscretions. This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. Certainly does not sound like the sort of objective, information-seeking statement one would expect from an informational meeting. From what I understand Hybels had a history of handpicking Bible versus to pummel anyone who disagreed with him concerning church doctrine, etc Not surprising. I read it that Jesus was doing the moderating. They gain influence or trust first and then use that as cover for another manipulation agenda. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. Lets go a little deeper. Willow Creek is an entertainment church and Hybels its star. The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bills wife was made aware of the situation. Thanks for sharing the link. Have you read the stories of the great persecutions of the early church. I want to make sure I understand you. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-willow-creek-pastor-20171220-story.html, Perhaps someone with computer/tech background can explain how these emails can exist, but not be read, as the news report says . In the fallout of Hybels's departure over sexual misconduct allegations, the esteemed megachurch lost other top leaders: The church's elders, as well as Steve Carter and Heather Larson, who were. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. Catherine-you are in permanent moderation. As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? Ive experienced it alsomultiple times. 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. 1 Peter 4:8 Since Hybels resigned, a few of the accusers have stated that they did not want it to come to that. I just posted an article with links to two case studies from the #MeToo movement, one from the entertainment field (Joss Whedon) and one from the skeptics/scientists author-speaker circuit (Lawrence Krauss). People were being killed, thrown to lions and tarred and set on fire to be torches for for Neros garden parties. It was alleged in an article of 'Chicago Tribune.' Further, the Chicago Tribune and Christianity Today too reported allegations about his misconduct. I am going to add one further post that will be two pictures and then I will allow all these posts to stay for comment. They adopted the commercial business approach. Its like a funhouse mirror of the Christianity I used to follow. Thats how they get by with it. Every believer has a unique calling. And Im 49, a loudmouth, professionally trained in safeguarding& so on. Shauna Niequist has apologised for failing to speak up after her father, Bill Hybels, was accused of sexual misconduct. Why? Tysvm Dee. Oh dear. Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. One thing Im certain of, Bill Hybels would NEVER have hired men like Paul or Peter to be teaching pastors at Willow. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. Lynne Hybels is the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois. The church isnt being destroyed. So, I have having network issues, and a IT person is working on my computer. All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. Interesting how you get it, but those in high places do not. The beast must be fed. The entire Gospel is predicated on the fact that we are sinners and that we are going to be sinners until we go home. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. This does not quite add up. He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. Read the books and follow the formula. After all, there were so many good things that had been done and so many accolades given. Dont know, but I wonder. My first international trip with Willow Creek as a staff member was to Tasmania. The Spirit works, sometimes over decades, with friends and acquaintances. Leaders who walk in the dark are not representing Jesus but rather the same Devil the original Pharisees did. Yesterday evening I was milling through the books at Goodwill. unteachable. Fact is, mind control has been extensively researched, and is helpful in nearly any institution, be it a corporation, university, athletic team, military unit or, yes, church. This is not Christianity. I have recently become Lutheran. She thanks you too. Who is the current pastor of Willow Creek Church? Here are some points of summary that I wrote about why this matters: From some of the background reading on this issue, it is clear that digital documents, audio, and video can constitute relevant evidence in any of these legal actions. Millions of dollars all. It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. You had a bad leader, and a bunch of elders who were unwilling to accept that, and call him on it. Even as red flag after red flag goes up, we push them aside (btw, I now view red flags as the Holy Spirit calling out Warning, this needs careful thought.). Some years ago on a dictionary of internet slang, Christian Side Hug was a term for non-genital sex intended to preserve technical virginity. The Eleven and Jesus followers went on to be faithful in following their Lord in establishing the Church by the power of the Holy Spirit. These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. So done. Very doubtful that this model arose magically, unprompted out of Bill Hybels head, anymore than Billy Graham rose to international prominence unaided. So I hugged him. Both are the same in outcome). Its not the victim. Ok. Sadly, I feel confident that this has not infrequently been engineered by the profiteers running these circus-show churches. Often, they blame themselves. Sam Powell and Jeff Crippen who are a pastor who *get it* about abuse. She was still hoping that he had changed. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation. @ Law Prof: Dont allow it in your personal life. Lydia, many have long suggested such things, but are officially scoffed at and rejected as conspiracists. I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. Character is revealed, not when things are going our way but when things are painful. JIHAD! Pastors are still afflicted with sin as is everyone. The difference is the internet makes it much harder to try to shame each of us in person individually.. Blogs such as WW are an encouragement to me. Dont confuse the two. * Now, it all falls into place: Wow, Im not the only person this happened to. This was real. This was wrong.. But then . Churches are in the state they are in because they refuse to seek truth and call the words of victims gossip. John & Nancy Ortberg are known to be false teachers, mis-leading the body of Christ teaching unbiblical things such as contemplative prayer which amounts to nothing other than New Age mysticism. I now see how this happened for years, and I never saw it. Good night! Ive been thinking along similar lines for a few days, and its relevance to the question, How could this happen in whats been consider a pioneering egalitarian church?. This is Uncharted Territory for them. Maybe they even went to the Wailing Wall and performed that satanic ritual and maybe were forever changed and lost. That this has to be explained in The Church is unbelievable. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. That is a huge red flag. Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations Tyndale House Publishers InterVarsity Press (Chicago Tribune). How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? Near the end of this article, Dee posted this question for Willow Creek Church: Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? havent forgotten. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. Im probably sensitive about this because Ive seen the this is what you get for being an egalitarian on social media and it drives me nuts. Seems like a lot of marriages in and around WCC have some awful secrets. We have some good news to give to the world. God is not in the business of secretly brainwashing and subtly mind controlling people. And while Hybels coached men to abide by the so-called "Billy Graham rule"never being alone with a women he was not married tohe often broke that rule, according to the Tribune. My bad for not being back in touch with you. Hybels et al have it backwards. There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. Hybel's father was an entrepreneur in wholesale produce whose work ethic was the model for his son. @ Barbara Roberts: Things add up all too well, sadly. And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. Very often, as you point out, in times of crisis, people respond in ways that reveal. [1] U.S. Pastor Allegations. Who would believe any of it if it were not for the Ortbergs? I can assure you that everyone is reading the comments!!! Ive been silently wondering the same. Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? Now, you should go back and read about victims and try to learn why this open letter hurts real victims. Some sources say that they dated for five years, broke up, got engaged then broke their engagement and later got back together and finally got married. Brad, given my age, their is a high probability that I was taking college bible class before you were born. And to think that Willow Creek notables have been hanging out with him! It can happen. And my guess is the elders dont know either. That isnt what I was talking about and I should have clarified. Position? He has denied. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. To teach Nancy a lesson with deflection? Is there love afte. Religious, but spiritually destitute. And it would appear that apparently absolutely no one found the need/necessity of bringing poor pastoral attitude, grave scriptural issues, his response, and certain questionable pastoral behavior before the church as directed by scripture. And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. LOL. My working hypothesis is that any man intent on seduction of women through grooming them for emotional intimacy and/or sexual involvement will sow in whatever field hes in and will also create or develop the platform that makes it possible to keep the flow of victims going. This makes my blood boil. (1 Cor. How can you say to your brother, Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye, when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? Instead, we are the be faithful to our calling. Watch and youll see it some day! Again, I thought not much more of that conversation until years later when other stories emerged that included Ambien. Willow Creek's stature in the Christian community may have also helped Lynne Hybels, Bill's wife. If Hybels had confessed an Ambien addiction with unlikely but serious side effects at the WC family meeting which had caused his occasional bad behavior around women staffers, he might have received a longer standing ovation. Sadly, this woman does not understand how business is conducted. That was Pauls charge to Timothy. They are evangelized for church. The Body of Christ will be fine. Why did I brush aside all of these things as if they did not matter?. Yep. He told me to sit down and put my feet up. 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