3. Which ones? To think that Protestants were behind the site directing traffic to CA is highly unlikely and sounds like something OJs Lawyers would have thought up. I said substance, not opinions. Anyone read the new reply from White? Alpha omega tattoo designs are often found to be created keeping both the alpha and omega meaning in mind. Jorge Just as Mary said. Ed, you really need to stop looking in the mirror so much. Face it, some folk get a kick out of kicking over ant hills. Im happy you put genuine in quotation marks, so as you differentiate the Gospel of Romanism from the Gospel of Christ. And that, having ordained what is Holy Scripture, God will not allow us to misunderstand it. Humbly, I remain your servant, your brother and your fellow seeker of Gods mercy, The guys at Doctrine & Life are great. It is standard practice in many Internet circlesbecause of the inflammatory nature of this comparison and its tendency to start flame wars and shut down rational discussionto regard anyone who makes such a comparison (unless you are talking about real-life Nazis or mass murderers) as having automatically lost the debate in question. Think about it. The priest jsut sits there takes it all in. the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then it becomes woefully clear just Akin has not scheduled a debate, at least publicly. The Visions of Iddo the Seer Trent, in many ways, is irrelevant to the Reformation. This Teaching ultimately led me into the Roman Catholic Church 25 years later. Hopefully his understanding of history will fair better. Akin was simply wrong in his claim, that these images were depicting those [urging White] to be more charitable . Call him again Johnathan. Too many people throwing around the word gnostic here. Bravo. I have noticed that White has been especially hysterical about the Beckwith situation. I dont think Catholic answers likes JamesrWhite.org tied(or whatever you call it in this case) to their website. and the vitriol (no one can argue the level of hatred) expressed towards While you believe that they would have taken to transubstantiation, I believe that they would have believed in Sola Scriptura. How could you, as no one has ever proven the actual real doctrine illogical, only misunderstood illustrations of it and straw-man arguments. Jeff is a World Champion martial artist with 5 Black-Belts. Trying to shame White beyond his own personal offense, though, was wrong. Muhammad was Constantine and the entire Christian episcopate rolled into one person. I have done the same with James White and from my observations he shows the traits of someone with severe control issues. Call him again Johnathan. 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Minor arguments would have been resolved by the awesome power of the Holy Spirit bearing witness to the true Canon, and history would witness to the fact that most Christians just spontaneously/miraculously agreed on the texts of the scriptures themselves. The interlocutors then indicate (with varying degrees of politeness and charity) that theyd prefer not to have a substantive discussion if its going to include that kind of personal unpleasantness. I can understand that Dr. White may see these pictures as funny, but he must bow to the larger view, at least in the short term, if he is to demonstrate that he is charitable. And please stop mischaracterizing what I said. Registrant Phone:+1.9512424988 He makes his usual unfair swipes at his opponents credibility and intelligence. Although, given the most recent burst of childishness, Im starting to think that its more likely than I thought. Quick question, can Rome tell ou who wrote Hebrews without questions? In depth coating information regarding james white alpha omega tattoo Free coating guidance Canada We just happened to stumble into each other providentially. You can observe for yourself how this ruse was initiated from start. CareBear??? You contradict yourself within this sentence. Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. because the Bible told me to. In fact, even the notion that invoking Nazis equates to forfeiture is technically an extension of the original law, which merely states that a comparison to Hitler or Nazis becomes increasingly inevitable the longer an online discussion continues. He takes things that are not and uses them to put to nothing the things that think themselves to be something. Yes, let us all pray that those who claim to be Catholic will be obedient to the Magisterium instead of making up what they mistakenly believe to be the teachings of the Church. For that matter WHY would someone go through the bother?. BRAIN IMPLODING. Jesus did not give us a physical book, he gave us the Church. The numerous innuendos .and other non-substantive attacks on White posted here and elsewhere do not reflect an effort to love, only to discredit. In this video, White Excuses like "it was just a little levity" count for nothing. Because if he repents, you should forgive him. Exactly. So not only is the picture funny, but it also appropriate in an almost prophetic way. Suspicious, eh? Wish more folks who find a wrong in such a thing would do it. true faith is alway accompanied by works. Just leave the man alone; hes been hurt enough. He posted the same pictures you did Jimmy. Or are you helping White with whatever it is that he wants? Grace and peace be upon each of you here and upon Jimmy Akin, James White, and Francis Beckwith. Thus, I also ask you to pray for me. good nite all. And the Bible Answer Man debate that wasnt a debate! Youre not making a fat load of sense and youre comming off even more deserate with this one. Id say youre doing Magna Cum Laude work, with the prospects for a good minor in nitpicking. Considerable time and work are required to get such a tattoo, but it is completely worth the hassle! Dr. Context is important. Well, so much for the liberalization of the church, her mass, customs and teachings to bring in the Protestants, they still hate the church! James White has *not* completely lost it. The Lord turned his life upside down at that time and filled his heart with a passion to end abortion and rescue preborn babies headed to death at abortion mills in the Valley. Speaking of a stubborn man, He said: If he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen (Matt. Humbly, I offer a contrary opinion. ;^). The comment has nothing to do with your race, gender, faith, sexual preference, political affiliation, or physical appearance. CareBear, ******************** In my haste to put down my thoughts I just didnt remember to sign the document. The first problem being that it is a point-scoring debate, not a search for truth. 877-753-3341 (US Callers Only). It hurt my feelings. Just as SGD said, the unanswerable argument for the Faith are holy Catholics. Ive been defending the posting of these pictures.. Again, apologies for the long post, but I intend it to be my last. ANGIE'S GALLERY . The fact that they proclaimed that there was no God didnt make any difference: it was a religion, and they acted in the way any totalitarian religious system would. Let him who boasts boast in the Lord. For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends. Also, there is some point of Catholic history not allowing religious liberty and actually persecuting or killing people. All Rights Reserved. Tell me about it, StubbleSpark. Can We Trust What the New Testament Says about Jesus and the Gospel? Who Resembles Jesus? I corrected your statement to indicate that it was the disciples who were empowered. I dont have a copy handy. Name Server: Putting out a pad of paper for people to share their thoughts with one another is not the same as being willing to be cross-examined. S o, e ven though believers today are not under the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15), the fact that there was a command against tattoos should raise some questions. Dr. James White & Keith Giles, First Lutheran Church, 1311 Holman St., Houston, Texas 77004, The Death of Joseph Ratzinger, the Eternal Covenant in the London Baptist Confession, New Year Laws in California Show Deep Commitment to the Culture of Death, What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Quran, The Textus Receptus as the Word of God is Equal to the New Testament Autographs. . People did this to James White. Jerry, degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary (formerly Faraston Theological Seminary), an unaccredited online school. The intention of the radical Muslim who beheads is to bring death to those whom they disagree with. All we have right now is a giant urinary joust of who is more charitable and/or offensive. If you are going to consider White calling a man a bald-faced lair a real issue. For the record, I think White did behave poorly in questioning Beckwiths honesty. Deuteronomy 4:2, Ye *YAWN* Please do not post comments on that thread, particularly comments disguised as prayers. What in the world does that have to do with anything, other than you assume Divine insufficiency? honestly, if your going to be consistant, you need to consistently apply that category error to Edward too, lest your obsession for White be found out. That many people cant all be wrong absent a huge conspiracy and at this point it seems more charitable to believe that White really is rather off-putting than to conclude that all his opponents are in some sort of sinister league with each other. I have twenty-five years of experience in the field and I know most of the state-of-the art research and researchers. The specific context has to do with the fact that Dr. Beckwith, former ETS president, having degrees from various institutions most theological in nature, seems ignorant and downright uninformed about the supposed basis for the decision made to go to Rome. During weeks and months when yet another suicidal kid had to be wedged in when there wasnt time to begin with, times when the important gets dropped because if the new situation isnt attended to, someone might come to serious harm or possibly die. Recommended reading can be taken up by those inclined. Anyone who has listened to Dr Whites personal interactions with those who disagree with him will be struck by his professionalism and courteous treatment of his debating opponents and callers. Thank you for considering, if not agreeing. First, I am the Anonymous that Mary (of Kay) thinks is Eric. Since you have probably never heard of me, as you do not, as far as I know, have a scholarly interest in humor, you can check out my research on the web (google my last name and the word, humor). Those to Whom they personally Handed down they Faith and their Authority? StubbleSpark, I get your point, but I would disagree with the word deserve. Thus I wanted to lay out some of my thoughts briefly. Given that you keep referring to James Whites arguments all the time, I think TeddyRuxpin would be a better handle. . The images were speaking toward an analogous attitude; namely, a fomented zealotry fueled by uninformed passion (which his subsequent post substantiated). Much can be said in favour of the impassive precision of logic and scholarly conduct. well let me just say, your doing fine in that department already. It not only refers to a learners ability to apply and use grammatical rules, but also to form correct utterances, and know how to use these utterances appropriately. Greg McR: than to take a route never spoken of by Christ or the Bible, and just confess to God by yourself. thread is over when Godwins Law is invoked anyway but long ago a corollary to the Law was proposed and accepted by Taki Quirk Kogama (quirk@swcp.com): Quirks Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called Nazi Clause is ineffectual.. Of course, I know both of you will continue on ignoring these facts, but, now that you have been informed you cant claim ignorance of the subject. Wow, Thomas Aquinas? And Catholic Answers! Ahhh sooooo. If you have prior experience with getting a tattoo and looking to commit to an elaborate sleeve tattoo design incorporating the symbols for alpha and omega, then check this one out! The exchange Esau and I are in is outlined in James R. Whites book Scripture Alone. Is a Christian supposed to act so phooney as to tell that person who has just insulted your family: Satanic counterfeit Bible versions also //Except that Bob also said: So neener, neener, I won and everyone else should back me up.// 2. And thanks for the personal attacks, mary, I really apprecaite you being mean to me when i havent down anything top anyone on here. Stubblespark it might even help the White apologists who seem to fear the same silence. Most every controversy Ive seen involving James White follows the same pattern: CareBear: They interlocutors or their comboxers are hypocrites for ending a discussion based but I have this thought. Isnt this the kind of answers that Roman Catholic apologists hate? It is an inherent part of both Roman and Islamic epistemology. Quid significat hoc verbum? Blessed Redeemer James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. Or Elmar. I honestly believe that winning the debate is more important to him that really knowing the truth, or, believing as he does, trying to help Catholics get to heaven. I think you should read his book The Roman Catholic Controversy and see what Dr. White has to say concerning the development of doctrine. I have been reading these anti-protestant posts and have been unwilling to dive into the murk, because all I am seeing are hundreds of little barbs, some less well disguised than others, directed at the person, character, intellect, education, motivation, etc., of one non-Catholic guy. I think Dr. White intended that. I mean, what do you tell people who stumble onto the site looking for theological answers who have never heard of James White? When we Catholics agree, and point out that St Peter was given the authority by Christ Himself, according to the Bible, and we believe it, you disagree (or at least you disagree that that authority is passed down through the ages to the successors of St Peter). It is good to be lumped in with the passionate people for once. I have a responsibility to serve both Jimmy Akin and Dr. White. They had a sacred book that provided an explanation of history which so far transcended every other explanation as to be unquestionable. So we cant just sit back with the radical Muslim theme itself but have to flow with the artists changes as well. 877-753-3341 (US Callers Only). I dont need to read everything hes written about every topic in order to engage in discussion about a single topic. Okay, CareBear, tell me then, which books do you consider inspired and tell me exactly why???? And most of the people dont come here to debate. Actually, I like Foxy sounds more appealing not to mention, seductive! 5) James White posts pictures comparing these persons to radical Muslims who behead people for not accepting their particular theological viewpoint. As you know by now, there are several available design options that you can choose from, to permanently display these two meaningful symbols on your skin. God will ultimately make a mockery of our misguided sense of self-esteem, grounded as it is in the spiritual weakness produced by our sin. Sorry for all the posts; I re-posted when my first one didnt show up. with his own ad hominems. Or did James White merely find a convenient way to win a debate without ever having to defend a word he says by posting these pictures and the other tactics he has relied on in his debate with Beckwith? What do you expect? Charity does include admonishing the sinner which Jimmy does by shaming Mr. Whites actions. . My reason to believe this involves trusting the authority of the Church to determine authentic scripture. So while it is true there is such a thing as the sin of omission, we have to remember that prudence and patience are virtues as well. please read the beautiful words of Romans 4:5-6 about the You only give him credibility when you do. wayne The History of Nathan the Prophet[8] But for the past 2000 years? Whatever you call it, Jimmy is apparently comfortable allowing it, and James apparently isnt. In our mortal being we crave mortal evidence of divine sanction, we seek a sign. Esau, He has all the time in the world to press Beckwith for answers to his questions but the sense of desperate urgency and impatience in his posts reveals something beyond normal panic. Again, you maliciously characterize folks without any evidence whatsoever, just as you have Catholic Answers here! Hey, phone him up and see. CareBear, Considering that seven months ago, Beckwith deserved his respect, the quotes seem, well, inappropriate and uncharitable. So I hurried back to the spot where Alypius was sitting, for I had put there a the volume of the aspostle when I got up and left him. . And somehow, people go out of the woodwork to attack you for doing so? The Revelation of Elias Fundementalists follow the Hadith and traditions of Islam which explain put the Quran in its context In recent years James has debated in such locations as Sydney, Australia, as well as mosques in Toronto, London, and South Africa. And Ill forgive you and Jimmy and anyone else nonetheless. Sheesh. Ive met White and seen him debate. I pay that much for a paperback. Firstly, Dr. Whites site is a bit behind the times technologically and does not have the ability for comments to be added. 2. He allows those who dont forgive to do likewise, as in if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.. I have four of my own to get in bed. Home You are at this probably quite impervious to argument, and logic. Wouldnt they then be more intruiged to find out more about him, seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? I suppose I should brush up on my regulations though, that or Mr. Akin should deal with the issues. 2. I recall someone saying the best example of a Catholic Apologist. Tiber swim team 2005. Thats something Ive noticed about the people defending White. The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you, and may He lift up His countenance upon you and give you His peace. The Akin Extension of the well-known Godwins Law Forfeiture Corollary seems an eminently reasonable one. Name Server: JAMES WHITE WINS well let me just say, your doing fine in that department already. But we on the outside can see the similitude. This fellow painted Dr. White an islamic fundamentalist before Dr. White ever made the pictures in question. CareBear: How do you manipulate the resurrected Christ? That authority has been passed down through Apostolic succession. Hes frustrated. bill912, CareBear: When all this started Dr Beckwith was asking a pretty tough question. On what evidence do you make this assertion? *bows* Thats enough for me. for Apologetics go to Catholic.com 1. Do you honestly think anyone could get away with saying Hey, I was only joking? First it must be established that that canon you are attempting to define is not the only canon in existence. I have the luxury of having been personally subject to Whites blatant double standards in an inexcusable way (even his allies concede that he shouldnt have hung up on me), and I suspect that is why Jimmy has opted to make this particular gaffe an example. Yes, dead people dont know anything. // I cant imagine people will give much credence to the opinion of someone with such a habit, so please feel free to rant away. Hey, Nonny, use a name, would you? Did you have something of substance you wanted to say, or were you just going to back me up in a sarcastic manner. To say that man cooperates with God in writing Scripture takes away from Gods sovereignty. Dr. White welcomes your calls at So God will providentially preserve the Scriptures and lead His people to a functional, sufficient knowledge of the canon so as to fufill His purposes in inspiring them, and he provide a mechanism for doing just thatthe Church. Usually Ill employ sarcasm + substance in order to make a point. At some point you either decide what it means for yourself or you decide to let someone else make the choice for you. Esua, Then we listened to some stuff from FBC Orlando, then on to Andy Stanley and homosexuals serving and worshipping in the Church. I have other responses to your post, but later . Ive made no mention of that. the conflict arises today in the churches. The issues deserve to be considered on their own grounds, but this reprehensible action and even his bad debating skills should be mentioned when it rises to so inexcusable a level, remembering to do so with charity and perspective and an attempt at understanding of course. I follow the Bishops, because they are the successors to the Apostles (IOW, I believe in Apostolic succession, which, BTW, is in the Bible). Oh, and I see White has followed the template over at his blog: (1) stir up trouble with a bonehead statement; (2) act the victim when called on it; (3) change the subject by proffering some hobbyhorse topic/argument; (4) shake his head sadly while professing his allegiance to the Gospel [sic] and noting his opponents assumed allergy to the same; and (5) claim victory, after noting throughout, sotto voce, his obvious merits. Hows that, Gary? 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