May the Lord protect you as you labor in this unusual part of the harvest field. Does any one have a copy or link to that document? I would rather listen to her over any of the Gospel glitterati, any time, any place. Im glad that the elders at Bent Tree have stated their views so clearly and have opened up a public conversation. Furthermore, if the hermeneutical issues are as serious as I have indicated above, then it would be a matter of faithfulness for Christians to contend against such teaching. @ Max: (That and the music.). There we go, much better. Both in different denominations. If we threw them out, how would they hear Gods Word and witness and experience Gods transforming love? The Elder Board has accepted Pete's decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. There are many who join feminist readings of scripture to a more explicit repudiation of the Bible's integrity and authority. I remember commenting on Dennys post that the terms used to describe complementary were defined differently among evangelicals and that my own Church did not have the same view of it in sacramental marriage where serving one another was based on love, not on a position of the authority of one over the submission of the other spouse. While at BTBF, we became aware of a situation, which involved a third party (not us) that was unresolved. Ok, this is a kind of a sidenote, but Ive seen secret church mentioned before and I just saw somebody link something on facebook. Iwas impressed and forever changed. The equality of men and women in Christ does not cancel out all the Bible says of male and female distinctiveness. before God, we cannot disobey our God-given conscience, if an authority figure were to demand for us to do what is wrong. Hope youll give us another try and check out some other articles. So many misuses of scripture to drive toward a point that theyre not even remotely speaking to, to arrive at a justification that has no real biblical foundation. We are linking to it in our upcoming post. bc wrote: (We do have one elder who believes women to whom the Spirit gives gifts should not be hindered, but he is only one.) I thought I was all alone. And, if I might add, everyone had a little spring in their step because all was well. I am woman, in my early 70s, over educated, and in the church all my life. @ Patti: The pages of scripture,give no visable evidence of such a distinction as that of women exercising governmental authority in the Christian church Jesus Christ established. . One wonders that if people can feel free to respond to their own consciences rather than stay in community with those who place secondary doctrines above Christian brotherhood? "If it's really as Jesus said by our love that people are going to know we are his followers how are they ever going to see the expression of Jesus king of love if we always sweep the difficult and the hard under the rug.". In the Spring of 2019, Pete stepped out of his role as senior Pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship. And hundreds of Neo-Cal SBC pastors heads have exploded. The main hermeneutic used by Briscoe and his elders to justify egalitarianism is not the trajectory of scripture, but the standard historical-grammatical approach, focussed on understanding what the Bible meant to the original readers. Justifying Injustice with the Bible: Slavery Here is one incident as reported by the Christian Post. It is nice to hear some good stories once and a while for a change . One. I had only heard before that Paul and Peter were maybe still sexists because of their culture. It was 20 soemthing to 1 and the one was unsure about his vote. Division seems to have the upper hand these days as an acceptable way of ending any diversity that makes people feel challenged and uncomfortable, but I am glad to see that there are evangelical people out there who have another perspective that represents a longing for peace between brothers in Christ. and I can find some hope that Denny is a part of that since he allowed your comment here to be printed so that your perspective might be better understood by those who have not fully considered other options besides division over certain issues. I do not see very many benefits belonging to a SBC association, a state SBC convention or the the national SBC. What were the situations that were understood, the things in the local culture that the people who received Pauls letter all knew about and did not need to be spelled out? What was even more quiet was the factthat BTBF has long had a female pastor, and from what I can tell, we can now say female pastors. before God, we cannot disobey our God-given conscience, if an authority figure were to demand for us to do what is wrong. She was the brightest woman I had ever met in the areas of theology, doctrine, church history and preaching. If male and female are both created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), that must mean that God also has female attributes, otherwise motherliness is not of God. Woman may not teach or have authority over man because of the Creation Order of Genesis. Like I said, I dont know Dennys actual beliefs one way or the other on Calvinism, but I do appreciate the Christian hospitality he shows commenters on his blog who come from different view points. Davidson's contract at SNL was up at the end of 2021. Be comforted. but resorting to such slick, manipulative slimy sales tactics it seems they have no qualms about manipulating peoples thinking and minds. I did not make this up; check it out on line. He stopped and pointed the two of us out. Once we say that current understandings of cultural impact are more apt to lead to a best understanding of scripture, as opposed to mere recitation of the words themselves, then we have potentially opened ourselves to dealing with other issues based on the same approach to scripture. Forgot your password? Pete Briscoe is the real deal as are his lovely parents. Pathetic. There are, nonetheless, some churches were merely admitting that you experience an ongoing struggle will result in excommunication. Unchristian in every way I can think of truly. This was pretty much a fight in Christian academic circles which eventually brought us the Danvers statement and the made-up word complementarian. Re: being worth dividing over. @ Lea: I live in Elverson. Pete's teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. Bent Tree now stands on a slippery slope. On this point, I think Lig Duncan has well said: The denial of complementarianism undermines the churchs practical embrace of the authority of Scripture (thus eventually and inevitably harming the churchs witness to the Gospel). But no, I was crushed to a heap of tears when my study was met with angry disdain. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Unless Im at the event because of my position (being invited to give a talk in my field, for example) I tell them not to use my title. It's not that pastors are fake; it's that the struggle is real. Shortly after graduating, he and his wife Libby moved to Dallas, Texas to lead Bent Tree Bible Fellowship. I really dont see how the CBMW powerbrokers can continue in a clear conscience. And, I think its about time for me to head back there. People of my faith dont abrogate obeying their consciences when they are in a position where authority is present quite the opposite. In Spring of 2019 I stepped out of my role as senior Pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship. You know, it wasnt even all the conclusions she reached that really got to me but her intense scholarly approach for that day and time using snail mail across oceans to confer with other Scholars around the world. So, I think that the slippery slope was the sexism in the first place. Sam wrote: Sin is what. So yes, you will see the the marketing behind the issue change. The bible nowhere talks about church membership as different for women and men. Brad Powell, senior pastor at Northridge Church in Plymouth, Mich., also emphasized the need for transparency. The Elder Board has accepted Pete's decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. . I do think some are born, some develop hormone diversities later, some choose to be, and some are simply confused because CBMW puts unbiblical legalities on what girls and boys are supposed to be interested in. He put his arm around her during worship time and then went up to preach. You believe in authority; we all do. True that! "I would love to tell you guys that it's never going to happen to you or maybe just one time but the longer you're in the ministry and frankly the larger your church grows, get ready, the more you're going to have to deal with it. Reference: John 10:35; Matt. Professors teach; students learn. The sin, he told his congregation, does not diminish anything the person has done in ministry. She told me that Iwas treading on theologically unsound ground and that Pete believed in an expanded role for women which was unbiblical. Now note, that we as a nation have done this and wisely so I think in the area of slavery and the area of polygamy so far, in saying that these things while not specifically forbidden by scripture are never the less inconsistent with values taught in scripture and inconsistent with our current culture. This man returned to the church without the hoopla of turning him over to Satan and big ol' excommunication meetings, etc. A He-Man Woman-Haters Club NO GURLZ ALLOWED! Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. I had not before I attended BTBF and I have not since. http://juniaproject.com/but-twelve-apostles-all-male/, Pingback: When Men Slide Over | Jackie Always Unplugged. (Eph 3:15). I grew up in a church that was Calvinist before neo-Cal formed into a movement. But I still think their reasoning is flawed on many points. It is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. You have Christians who are non-comps, but since the majority of conservative churches are comp, you have no choice, in most cases, but to put up with comp teachings if you want to go to a church with conservative teachings. I listened to the sermon video. The Word was made for men and women, not men and women for the Word. When wuz Platt in underground churches in Asia? Let the soil dry out and then give it a thorough water. I dont think headship allows for the great dignity of the human person to consult and honor their own conscience in decision-making. It was this man and his wife. Briscoe and the elders say that they intend to be a "conservative" church that maintains a tenacious commitment to the inerrancy of scripture. If you want to build a strong marriage, where should you look for direction? Oh to have a church around here like this! To think that Gods word requires an update is to ultimately impugn God; His knowledge and His foresight. Because just the word homosexuality disconnects every neuron above the Christianese brainstem and waves the Bright Red Murder Flag in front of whats left. Those concerns have not diminished at all after these many years. Most churches will not grant membership to homosexuals. We are actually seeing that right now with the new focus on testosterone. __ In The Bondage of the Will, Luther said to Erasmus (his debate opponent) that Christians should glory in assertions. I often have the same thought. After a lot of research and study I discovered, by accident, Catherine Bushnell. The episcopal church has been put in time out by the anglican community over this. I pray God will redeem the years for all of the gifted women who have been sidelined all that time, waiting for the Holy Spirit to open a way for them to use their gifts. For the cake-off, they're challenged to provide dog-themed cakes for Flip or Flop host Christina Anstead's dog-pampering party. Tolkien,The Lord of the Ringslink Bent Tree Bible Message from Sunday, 19 August 2018 Title: Awkward, Part 3: Counseling Series: Awkward Speaker: Pete Briscoe. Jill Briscoe is one of my favorite Bible teachers. She put herself through Bible College by doing house work and became a Wycliff Bible Translator. when people speak of submission and subordination, of complementarian and egalitarian, from an in-house perspective, then folks from other Christian traditions begin to get confused about what IS being said and what IS being implied. It was nothing but a soft sell for patriarchy with Jesus lipstick. John. One day, in heaven, I look forward to our reunion. I suspect the pain of this must be great for those who harbor integrity within themselves, but bear great love for the community they have known as a family. Grudem concludes his review this way: I believe [Webbs work] is a deeply flawed book that fundamentally contradicts the Reformation principle of sola Scriptura because it nullifies in principle the moral authority of the entire NT and replaces it with the moral authority of a better ethic, an ethic that Webb claims to be able to discover through a complex hermeneutical process entirely foreign to the way God intended the Bible to be read, understood, believed, and obeyed. What kind of so-called men would act like this? Ive been waiting just about the same amount of time. It could be removed without affecting the overall conclusion. 1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. 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